Comments on: Abortion bills out of line with accepted standards of prenatal care http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2012/04/06/abortion-bills-out-of-line-with-accepted-standards-of-prenatal-care/ Your Inside Track to Arizona Politics Fri, 24 May 2013 20:26:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: truthseeker http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2012/04/06/abortion-bills-out-of-line-with-accepted-standards-of-prenatal-care/comment-page-1/#comment-71848 truthseeker Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:56:34 +0000 http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2012/04/06/abortion-bills-out-of-line-with-accepted-standards-of-prenatal-care/#comment-71848 Arizona Legislators have failed Arizona's women, their health care and families, having taken them back to the dark era PRIOR to the '60's, which makes Arizona a very undesirable state to live in and has lowered the quality of life. Arizona Legislators have failed Arizona’s women, their health care and families, having taken them back to the dark era PRIOR to the ’60′s, which makes Arizona a very undesirable state to live in and has lowered the quality of life.

]]> By: terminating a pregnancy | Pregnancy http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2012/04/06/abortion-bills-out-of-line-with-accepted-standards-of-prenatal-care/comment-page-1/#comment-71833 terminating a pregnancy | Pregnancy Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:18:03 +0000 http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2012/04/06/abortion-bills-out-of-line-with-accepted-standards-of-prenatal-care/#comment-71833 [...] Abortion bills out of line with accepted requirements of prenatal care Imposing a ban on terminating a pregnancy right after 20 weeks is basically not in line with regimen prenatal care. The regular of treatment within the health-related community (nationally) is to receive an ultrasound at eighteen to twenty weeks to verify the dimensions of the fetus as … Read a lot more on Arizona Capitol Times [...] [...] Abortion bills out of line with accepted requirements of prenatal care Imposing a ban on terminating a pregnancy right after 20 weeks is basically not in line with regimen prenatal care. The regular of treatment within the health-related community (nationally) is to receive an ultrasound at eighteen to twenty weeks to verify the dimensions of the fetus as … Read a lot more on Arizona Capitol Times [...]

]]> By: BVA http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2012/04/06/abortion-bills-out-of-line-with-accepted-standards-of-prenatal-care/comment-page-1/#comment-71804 BVA Fri, 13 Apr 2012 02:09:52 +0000 http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2012/04/06/abortion-bills-out-of-line-with-accepted-standards-of-prenatal-care/#comment-71804 Each year of the "approximately 2 million women who experience pregnancy loss" in the U.S. the following causes are noted in the statistics (per The American Pregnancy Association at http://www.americanpregnancy.org/main/statistics.html). "600,000 women experience pregnancy loss through miscarriage "64,000 women experience pregnancy loss through ectopic pregnancy "6,000 women experience pregnancy loss through molar pregnancies "26,000 women experience pregnancy loss through stillbirth" Did (or does) a god, or "the God", purposely install a unique "soul" in those fetuses? Does that fetus "soul" have an 'afterlife' per any (or all) current theology(s)? Do even those fetuses without a developing brain have a "soul" that goes to "heaven"? (Having had little time to commit any 'sins', let alone the physical organ necessary to form the required 'internationality' to commit a 'sin', where else could such a "soul" end-up in any 'afterlife' scenario?) Given that the current movement to restrict abortion regardless of any fetal abnormalities, even those that would preclude surviving outside of the womb, the "soul" question is a critical one for believers. Given also that modern public health and standards of living have dramatically reduced the rate of "pregnancy loss" (and given that many miscarriages go unnoticed and/or unreported) we can assume the possibility exists that a high percentage of the "souls" in "heaven" never had a fair chance of committing a sin that might allow them to at least visit the "other place" (or places in between, depending on religious doctrine). Heaven is most likely overrun with such "souls" (even assuming there really is only 5,000 years of history, any history)! This analysis is not meant to be flip. It is meant to underline the highly doctrinaire religious nature of the most recent government intervention, H.B. 2036 (AZ), into one of the most anguishing areas of motherhood (and fatherhood). The biggest question is still "separation of church and state". Given the big "who is imposing on who" flap over requiring almost all employers who provide healthcare insurance, even church affiliated non-profit organizations who have significant religious diversity among their employees, to follow all the 'preventive care regulations' in paying for medical care (including paying for contraceptive care for those whose religion does not prohibit it), it would seem that H.B. 2036 (AZ) imposes not just a religious standard for healthcare(!) on all Arizona citizens, but a particular religious standard of healthcare! H.B. 2036 is the first major religious edict ("fatwa", whatever) of the now semi-theocratic State of Arizona! H.B. 2036 gives new meaning to the Arizona State Motto (one of only 7 state mottos that reference God). Ditat Deus! y'all Each year of the “approximately 2 million women who experience pregnancy loss” in the U.S. the following causes are noted in the statistics (per The American Pregnancy Association at http://www.americanpregnancy.org/main/statistics.html).

“600,000 women experience pregnancy loss through miscarriage

“64,000 women experience pregnancy loss through ectopic pregnancy

“6,000 women experience pregnancy loss through molar pregnancies

“26,000 women experience pregnancy loss through stillbirth”
Did (or does) a god, or “the God”, purposely install a unique “soul” in those fetuses? Does that fetus “soul” have an ‘afterlife’ per any (or all) current theology(s)? Do even those fetuses without a developing brain have a “soul” that goes to “heaven”? (Having had little time to commit any ‘sins’, let alone the physical organ necessary to form the required ‘internationality’ to commit a ‘sin’, where else could such a “soul” end-up in any ‘afterlife’ scenario?)

Given that the current movement to restrict abortion regardless of any fetal abnormalities, even those that would preclude surviving outside of the womb, the “soul” question is a critical one for believers. Given also that modern public health and standards of living have dramatically reduced the rate of “pregnancy loss” (and given that many miscarriages go unnoticed and/or unreported) we can assume the possibility exists that a high percentage of the “souls” in “heaven” never had a fair chance of committing a sin that might allow them to at least visit the “other place” (or places in between, depending on religious doctrine). Heaven is most likely overrun with such “souls” (even assuming there really is only 5,000 years of history, any history)!

This analysis is not meant to be flip. It is meant to underline the highly doctrinaire religious nature of the most recent government intervention, H.B. 2036 (AZ), into one of the most anguishing areas of motherhood (and fatherhood).

The biggest question is still “separation of church and state”. Given the big “who is imposing on who” flap over requiring almost all employers who provide healthcare insurance, even church affiliated non-profit organizations who have significant religious diversity among their employees, to follow all the ‘preventive care regulations’ in paying for medical care (including paying for contraceptive care for those whose religion does not prohibit it), it would seem that H.B. 2036 (AZ) imposes not just a religious standard for healthcare(!) on all Arizona citizens, but a particular religious standard of healthcare!

H.B. 2036 is the first major religious edict (“fatwa”, whatever) of the now semi-theocratic State of Arizona! H.B. 2036 gives new meaning to the Arizona State Motto (one of only 7 state mottos that reference God).

Ditat Deus! y’all

]]> By: David Patton http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2012/04/06/abortion-bills-out-of-line-with-accepted-standards-of-prenatal-care/comment-page-1/#comment-71786 David Patton Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:01:44 +0000 http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2012/04/06/abortion-bills-out-of-line-with-accepted-standards-of-prenatal-care/#comment-71786 It's most unfortunate that our elected officials believe they must redefine the standard of care for obstetricians and gynecologists in AZ while simultaneously eviscerating patients’ rights to make informed decisions regarding their prenatal care. Informed decisions are fundamental to our healthcare delivery system. Healthcare is not a unilateral, physician-directed decision process. It is a collaborative, patient-centered process wherein the physician enables the patient to make intelligent decisions about their care. Allowing politicians to intervene in this highly-sensitive and private matter is unhealthy for all. It’s most unfortunate that our elected officials believe they must redefine the standard of care for obstetricians and gynecologists in AZ while simultaneously eviscerating patients’ rights to make informed decisions regarding their prenatal care. Informed decisions are fundamental to our healthcare delivery system. Healthcare is not a unilateral, physician-directed decision process. It is a collaborative, patient-centered process wherein the physician enables the patient to make intelligent decisions about their care. Allowing politicians to intervene in this highly-sensitive and private matter is unhealthy for all.

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