Senate Republicans are holding marathon meetings in small groups all week long to get 16 members to agree on a fix to the fiscal 2009 budget.
But the magic number – or, more precisely, a plan with a just-right combination of cuts – appears to be elusive thus far.
The Senate has held two caucuses this week, and both meetings were met by a flurry of questions from members. One Republican expressed dissatisfaction after being told members would have to make big decisions on the budget only a few days into the legislative session, saying lawmakers had had the opportunity to do a special session late last year but did not take it.
The Republican leadership has also changed course a few times in as many days in its efforts to get to the finish line. On Jan. 26, for example, the Senate scheduled a budget workshop. The next day, the meeting was shelved.
Then, on Jan. 27, the Senate has scheduled an Appropriations Committee hearing for the next day. Senate President Bob Burns called it a "placeholder" hearing "so in the event we are ready to go, we can go."
The plan is to vote on a budget by the end of the week.
Also, Burns announced that Republican senators will get a "spreadsheet" instead of a budget bill or packet. A day earlier, Burns had told members they would be getting a budget bill or packet the next day to see if its' something they can support, and if not, to let leadership know those concerns.
The spreadsheet would show the "options list" by the chairmen of the House and Senate Appropriations committees, as well as the alternative budget proposals drafted in the Senate and House.
The budget spreadsheet will compare the options, and the changes made to them by the two chambers. Those changes will also presumably reflect the priorities of the GOP caucuses in both houses. At some point, the two versions would have to be reconciled.
There were a flurry of questions in the caucus meeting Jan. 26, and there were just as many on Jan. 27.
One of the questions: Will the spreadsheet reflect concerns raised by members?
In a nutshell, yes, according to leadership. But Senate Majority Whip Pamela Gorman said not everything that members have proposed would be included. She explained that if one member's item would cost four votes, for example, it wouldn't be added to the spreadsheet because it would in effect move them farther away from coming to an agreement.
Sen. Barbara Leff, a Republican from Paradise Valley, broached the idea of putting ideas that colleagues have raised on the spreadsheet so others could see and assess them.
Sen. Jonathan Paton of Tucson wanted to know the fundamental differences between the House and the Senate versions. Burns replied it might be better if they discussed those differences with the spreadsheet in front of them.
"Can we not get a sneak peek?" Paton asked.
Sen. John Nelson of Glendale wanted to see in the spreadsheet how the proposed fiscal 2009 fix would affect the fiscal 2010 budget.
"I think we need to be very cautious," Nelson said.
Sen. Ron Gould, a Republican from Lake Havasu, said he would not be an automatic "yes" on the budget if "it gets loaded back up with a bunch of special interests."
Sen. John Huppenthal, a Republican from Chandler, suggested coming out with a priority list "so the citizens out there can know what guided us in doing what we are doing."
In response to Gould's comments, Leff said it's not exactly accurate that they are adding things back in. They have at the same time also proposed cuts in other places, she said.
Leff also said she is quite aware of the need for cuts. But it's important, she said, "that the cuts are done in a way that – and I don't want to use Janet Napolitano's term of ‘move the state forward' – but there was some reality in what she was talking about."
She added: "We need to identify our priorities and make those cuts accordingly."
There was similar disaccord at the Jan. 26 caucus meeting.
"I am highly indignant that this is how they think they are going to operate," Sen. Carolyn Allen, a Republican from Scottsdale, told reporters after the meeting.
She said she was "not amused" that leadership had bypassed the opportunity to fix the fiscal 2009 budget in a special session.
"We are now up to the point where they give us four days… when we could have had a special session and worked this out," she said.
The Senate has cancelled all committee hearings this week, also a source of discontent for Allen, chairwoman of the Senate Healthcare and Medical Liability Reform.
But Gould, the Lake Havasu Republican, said the options have been on the table for over a week now.
"So if the members have not reviewed the options, then they haven't been doing their jobs," he said.
Meanwhile, Democrats doubted the Republicans would get enough votes to pass a budget this week.
Sen. Paula Aboud, a Democrat from Tucson, said between five and 11 Republicans do not support the budget that is being used as a starting point in Senate negotiations.
Burns has told senators that they would be operating as if the deadline to sine die was approaching. That means there will be a flurry of meeting, caucuses and floor action to pass a budget. To get a budget out, the budget bills have to be heard in committee, brought to caucus, approved in a floor debate and finally voted upon by the whole body.
"If you can't (say yes to it), you need to come to me and tell me why, and we need to start working to get you to be a ‘yes'," Burns has said.
Sen. Jay Tibshraeny of Chandler wanted to know what kind of "public process" the budget committee hearing will have. Would that include late-night hearings, for example?
Leadership answered that people had had a chance to testify on the fiscal 2009 budget last year. "We don't want 300 people signing up just to whine," Burns said.
After the caucus, Huppenthal said lawmakers should stay at the capitol 24 hours a day until they get a budget out.
"We need to get more intense," he said.