Lawmakers unhappy with school safety fund’s effectiveness
$26 million allocated for communication systems since 2019
Auditors found most agencies did not follow procurement requirements
Republican and Democratic lawmakers alike are unhappy with a school safety fund established more than a half-decade ago, but the two parties remain split over how to fix the problem.
The Joint Legislative Audit Committee met April 16 to examine interoperable communication systems established between schools and law enforcement agencies in the state. Lawmakers in 2019 established the school safety interoperability fund, which has allocated $26 million to law enforcement agencies for improved communications systems between schools and law enforcement during emergency situations.
In a December report, the Auditor General’s Office found the state’s funding of the communication systems has not gone in accordance with statute. Law enforcement agencies have used state funds to purchase systems from three vendors: Mutualink, Motorola Solutions and Navigate360. Mutualink had contracts with sheriffs offices from nine counties, according to the report.
“Our interoperability policies in place are not as strong as they should be,” House Education Committee Chairman Matt Gress, R-Phoenix, said April 14. “There’s a lot of confusion in that area.”
The House on April 14 discussed Senate Bill 1315, a measure drafted to fix issues with the interoperability fund by following advice from the auditor general’s report. The bill has not received a vote on the House floor yet, but it would give the Arizona Department of Education statutory responsibility to create guidelines and best practices for the communication systems.
Democrats have opposed the measure and called it a vendor bill designed to hand out state-funded contracts to specific companies. Auditors also determined most law enforcement agencies did not follow procurement requirements when they acquired interoperable communication systems.
“This bill probably wants to do the right thing, but it falls very short,” House Minority Assistant Leader Nancy Gutierrez, D-Tucson, said.
The sponsor of SB 1315, Sen. Kevin Payne, R-Peoria, said during Thursday’s audit hearing that he believes state auditors were looking in the wrong direction.
“I think the auditor team is an outstanding team, but they were looking at it from a financial standpoint, not a standpoint of whether it worked or not,” Payne said.
Payne helped start the interoperability program in 2019, and he invited his colleagues to see what Mutualink has done in Yavapai County.
“I want badly for this program to work and I love what I saw with the Mutualink system in Yavapai County,” Payne said.
Gutierrez told the Arizona Capitol Times that the measure lacked both input from public schools on what kind of communication systems would be helpful for them and provisions that would require law enforcement agencies to look for other bids or alternative vendors when acquiring a communication system.
She also suggested establishing a study committee after session to further examine the interoperability fund or pursue House Bill 2142, a bill by Gress that would establish a school safety center within the education department that would act as a centralized location for schools to go to in an emergency situation.
HB2142 passed the Senate Education Committee in March, although Democrats have been attempting to workshop the bill throughout session over disagreements of how a council would be formed under the bill tasked with administering the program.
There was another appropriations bill earlier this session that proposed giving $3.2 million across nine counties that have contracted with Mutualink since 2019. Before it was struck, Senate Bill 1582 proposed distributing hundreds of thousands of dollars to nine sheriff`s offices for their interoperability programs. Each county in the bill was one of the counties that auditors said contracted with Mutualink.
Gutierrez said even though the original SB1582 has been struck, it could be considered in budget negotiations.
“We will see that as a Republican ask and we will fight against having that in the budget,” she said.
Gress on April 14 pushed back against vendor bill allegations for SB1315. He also said he’s unhappy with the program’s results from the auditor general’s report and said in January that he wouldn’t support a vendor bill.
“That could not be further from the truth,” Gress said of the vendor bill allegations. “This bill says that ADE establishes the criteria for an interoperability system.”
During a March 24 House Education Committee hearing on SB1315, ADE Director of School Safety Mike Kurtenbach supported the bill and said he wouldn’t support a vendor bill either.
“There could be a dozen vendors that are available to do it right now and in the space I work in, I surmise that there are many others,” Kurtenbach said.
Gutierrez also had other issues with the interoperability bill. She said she doesn’t believe the language is tight enough to actually require schools to have a real interoperability plan and just settle on calling police with a cell phone and she said the bill allows law enforcement agencies to pick which schools they set up communications systems with if they don’t have funds for every school in their service area.
But the bill does require a secure transmission from schools to law enforcement, which Gress said cannot be done from a cell phone, although he acknowledged that law enforcement would have to prioritize schools.
“There is a finite amount of resources,” he said. “We want to get to every school, but you’ve got to start somewhere and these law enforcement agencies need to be engaged in that conversation. That’s why I think this bill is a good start and we’ll continue to have discussions about what additional policy changes we can make in the future.”
Growing up in South Vietnam during the 1970s, Rep. Quang Nguyen recognized the threat his country’s neighbor — North Vietnam — presented to his home.
Six days before the April 30, 1975, fall of Saigon, Nguyen’s father, who served in the South Vietnamese army, packed up Nguyen and his older brother and drove them to an airfield in a jeep gifted to their family by troops Nguyen’s father had served with.
Had he stayed in the country a week longer, Nguyen isn’t sure if he would have survived.
“I was born before the war and I left six days before the end of the war. I lived through that whole, entire war,” the Prescott Valley Republican said. “It builds character. If you survive, you just have to understand that, number one, God loves you. Number two: There’s some luck along the way.”
As chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Nguyen holds a powerful position in the Arizona Legislature. His committee handles criminal justice, gun policy and constitutional issues. In his leadership role, he decides which bills get hearings and move forward, carrying more influence than rank-and-file legislators. He is also visible in gun rights advocacy and in legislation on law and order, border security and fentanyl, making him influential within the state’s Republican policy agenda.
Nguyen is running for reelection in Arizona’s first legislative district. If elected, the upcoming term would be the last he could serve in the House consecutively because of the state’s term limit law. He said he isn’t considering switching chambers to the Senate.
“Hopefully by the end of my eighth year, which is the end of 2028, I can walk away and say that’s all I could do,” Nguyen said. “I can’t do any more.”
A new life and passion
Rep. Quang Nguyen, R-Prescott Valley, takes questions from reporters during an October 2025 press conference. (Jakob Thorington / Arizona Capitol Times)
As a 12-year-old, Nguyen, now 63, had no idea what was about to happen to his home country or where he was going. It was a normal morning for him when he left for school, but that afternoon was anything but ordinarywhen he got to that airfield with his brother.
“From a distance, you could see a C-130 waiting with a lot of people lining up to go, and he [my father] said, ‘You’re getting on that C-130 and you may or may not ever see us again,’” Nguyen recalled. “He handed each of us a bag of clothes and that was it. I never got to say goodbye to my siblings at home, never got the chance to say goodbye to my mom. My mom kept a pretty straight face because when I walked to school that morning, there was no indication from either my mom or dad, especially my mom, that I wouldn’t see her again.”
Nguyen eventually reunited with his parents after they fled South Vietnam on a barge the day before the fall of Saigon. His parents experienced a similar journey to the United States. But in 1975, without modern communication devices, he and his brother were left not knowing what happened to those back home while U.S. officials worked — using written communications — to reconnect family members who had been split apart.
“By God’s grace, somehow we reconnected, but it wasn’t an amazing journey. It taught me that a lot of people died for my freedom. On both sides, the South Vietnamese people fought and died, and unfortunately, 58,000 Americans also died for that,” Nguyen said.
The aircraft Nguyen boarded eventually took him to Guam and then Travis Air Force Base in California. Nguyen, who couldn’t speak a word of English, found himself in a strange environment. He had never seen a school bus before and he remained quiet in the classroom because of the language barrier.
School would help him learn English and he became a U.S. citizen in 1983, two years before he graduated from high school and headed to California State University, Long Beach, to study electrical engineering. He later discovered a passion for art — something he proudly shows off on social media through his sketches and paintings.
Despite his love for art, he realized that Vincent van Gogh died a pauper and that he should pursue a more financially secure career. After college, he worked as a contractor at the American aerospace company Northrop Grumman, where he helped engineer military planes.
He credits his creative side with helping him work successfully with a Democratic governor. “As an artist, you think outside the box all the time,” Nguyen said of his attempts to persuade Gov. Katie Hobbs to sign his bills.
It wasn’t until Nguyen moved from California to Prescott in the late 2000s that he got involved with local politics. He attended GOP events where he bumped shoulders with key Republican officials, including former state Senate President Karen Fann and former House Speaker Andy Tobin.
In 2019, former Speaker Rusty Bowers and Fann encouraged Nguyen to run for office — a recommendation he regarded as a high honor.
In an email to the Arizona Capitol Times sent from Brussels, where Bowers is doing missionary work for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the former lawmaker said he and his wife, Donetta, feel blessed that he lost his 2010 congressional race to U.S. Rep. Paul Gosar because it allowed Bowers to win the “prize” of meeting Nguyen in the back room of a western clothing store in Prescott’s town square.
The Bowers and the Nguyens have formed a familial bond. “Our children also became their fast friends, and now my kids compete saying that Quang loves them best,” Bowers wrote.
From biker to lawmaker
State Rep. Quang Nguyen speaking on the floor of the Arizona House of Representatives at the Arizona State Capitol building in Phoenix, Arizona. (Gage Skidmore / Flickr)
Nguyen met his wife, Mai, in 1987 after his girlfriend dumped him. The new couple did a lot of motorcycle riding together — a passion he’s carried throughout his adult life.
Nguyen often rides his 2001 Honda CBR929RR sportbike the 90 miles from his Prescott Valley home to the state Capitol. With all the miles he’s put on the bike, he relaxes by tinkering on it in his garage when he gets a break from his legislative duties. The father of two gave up riding after his children were born but his wife, a nurse for the Prescott Unified School District, agreed to let him ride again when the kids became adults.
Nguyen’s secret to a happy marriage? Laughter.
“I found out that in a relationship you should laugh a lot,” Nguyen said. “My wife laughs all the time and I try to make her laugh every day.”
A former Baptist, Nguyen says his wife introduced him to Catholicism, the faith he now practices.
Nguyen’s son is a graduate of the University of Portland and works as a representative for Cigna clients; his daughter serves in the U.S. Navy.
It was Fann, Bowers said, who thought of the idea to persuade Nguyen to run for office. They knew it could be a tough race for him — an immigrant in Yavapai County with no previous political experience — but they had faith.
Even as an established House member who has won reelection three times, Nguyen has faced racist attacks. In July 2025, a Prescott news website run by former Republican lawmaker David Stringer published an AI-generated image depicting Nguyen stealing and eating pets, titled “Going to the Dogs.”
Other cartoon-like images posted on Stringer’s website, Prescott eNews, intentionally misspelled Nguyen’s first name, suggested he couldn’t read English and accused him of lying about his citizenship. Stringer did not respond to a request for comment.
Overcoming the insults
State Reps. Selina Bliss and Quang Nguyen speaking with attendees on the floor of the Arizona House of Representatives on opening day of the 57th legislature in Phoenix, Arizona. (Gage Skidmore / Flickr)
In 2022, Republican then-Gov. Doug Ducey signed a bill sponsored by Nguyen that requires high school students to learn about political ideologies that conflict with the United States’ founding principles of freedom and democracy — a measure that targeted communism.
“I’m not offended by it,” Nguyen said of accusations that he himself is a communist. The lawmaker, who has also been called a far-right extremist, among other things, said what’s offensive is that the insults could extend to his children.
“I am offended that you’re calling my daughter, a naval officer, born to a communist member,” he said. “Sometimes people don’t sit down and analyze before they yap.”
Nguyen said he’s faced criticism ranging from accusations of being a communist to claims he is a “far-right extremist,” as well as allegations that he is a member of the Oath Keepers — a group of former military and law enforcement members described as “anti-government” and “extremist” by the Southern Poverty Law Center.
Following the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol attack, in which some Oath Keepers members participated, the FBI called the group a paramilitary organization. In a phone interview, Nguyen denied membership in the organization and said he once had “Oath Keepers: Back the Blue” stickers on the back of his pickup truck, but only to signal to police officers that he was their ally if they needed help.
Nguyen has also never served in the military or with law enforcement, so he said he can’t be a member of the organization.
“That being said, I’ve raised my hand multiple times to be sworn in as an oath keeper, in terms of defending the oath of office and defending the U.S. and Arizona constitutions. I don’t belong to the organization at all,” Nguyen said.
Bowers said he and Fann never doubted Nguyen could handle the hardships that sometimes come with being a lawmaker.
“We felt Quang had enough guts to take the beatings,” Bowers wrote in his email. “We knew it would be a great sacrifice for their family, but it was important to keep someone who was truly a thoughtful conservative in place, but also not a fake.”
Their belief in him paid off. In 2020, he won a 10-way primary race by a wide margin of about 7% of votes in his Legislative District 1, which covers Yavapai and Coconino counties. He’d go on to a comfortable general election win in his Republican-friendly district.
“Nobody knew my name. Nobody knew how to pronounce my name. There were a lot of unknowns about me as a candidate, but I would go speak and I would tell people exactly who I am,” said Nguyen (pronounced as “nu-win” or “win”). When he was first elected he tried to balance his job as the founder of the marketing and branding agency Caddis Advertising with his new, $24,000-a-year job as a lawmaker. But he quickly found the challenge too difficult.
“Eventually, I went from 15 clients down to three and then eventually down to one,” Nguyen said. “Then I had to give it up because the Legislature is so demanding.”
A quiet presence
Rep. Quang Nguyen, R-Prescott Valley, concentrates on his computer during a vote on the Arizona budget at the Arizona Capitol Thursday, June 24, 2021, in Phoenix. (AP Photo/Ross D. Franklin)
Much like in his school days, Nguyen thought it was important to maintain a quiet presence in the Legislature and learn through observation. Although he didn’t vote with Bowers on every single bill, Bowers said Nguyen outworked his colleagues and remained his own man, true to his values and district.
“He sat behind me on the floor and took lots of trash from the so-called Patriot Party. He is 10 times the patriot that any of those guys were, and he learned quickly that lips move fast, but truth takes it slow,” Bowers said in his email from Brussels. “He reads all the bills. He puts them through his filters and if they don’t make it, too bad. He says to your face what he thinks, not behind your back. … He has been in the streets to see people machine-gunned. He has been through the fire — literally. To me, that is an invaluable experience.”
During Nguyen’s second term in the House, Republican then-Speaker Ben Toma assigned him to chair the powerful House Judiciary Committee — a role he still holds.
Nguyen has successfully advanced several measures into law, including a ban on sex dolls resembling minors, a five-year mandatory sentence for fentanyl dealers handling at least 200 grams and expanded access to national criminal records for the Department of Public Safety. He has also emphasized his role in blocking numerous gun control proposals introduced by Democratic lawmakers.
The Legislature’s most important duty — and its only constitutionally required one — is to pass the state budget. Nguyen has had a significant influence on that, too. Throughout his tenure, he’s helped secure more than $70 million for law enforcement, veterans and public roads.
This session, he’s sponsoring a $20 million spending bill to support local law enforcement efforts at the U.S.-Mexico border. Arizona Sheriffs’ Association President David Clouse said the bill is a high priority for sheriffs, many of whom backed a similar bill last year that appropriated $17 million.
Clouse said the increased funding helped dismantle a covert money laundering operation at a barbecue joint in Yavapai County — Nguyen’s district. “We know all things come down to the budget and dollars, and there’s all these competing priorities, but your $20 million did this in one little county, or parts of that $20 million,” Clouse said he tells lawmakers.
One of the more controversial appropriations Nguyen secured came in 2023, when the state budget allocated $15 million for the organization behind the Prescott Frontier Days rodeo. The funding was later struck down in court as unconstitutional, with a judge finding it violated the state’s gift clause. But the money didn’t disappear for long — in 2025, Republicans revived the effort, this time routing the funds to the City of Prescott for rodeo grounds maintenance and repairs, a workaround designed to pass legal muster.
For Nguyen, finding ways to get past the hurdles comes from a life of observing before acting.
“I still am an introvert. That’s why you don’t see me standing up on the floor, yapping 17 times a day,” Nguyen said. “I came to the Legislature, same thing: Just shut up and listen — you’ll pick up something.”
ABOUT QUANG NGUYEN
Age: 63
Hometown: Prescott Valley, Arizona
Education: California State University, Long Beach (BA)
Career highlights: He sponsored House Bill 2607, a 2025 measure that imposes enhanced sentencing for fentanyl dealers and traffickers. Also, high schools in Arizona must include an “anti-communism” curriculum in social studies classes as a result of House Bill 2008, signed into law during the 2022 legislative session.
Known for: His gun rights advocacy, riding a motorcycle to the Capitol and creating artwork.
Influence factor: He serves as chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.
Public safety has been a lifelong mission for Navajo County Sheriff David Clouse, whose family has a history of serving in the county’s Sheriff’s Office. Clouse became president of the Arizona Sheriffs’ Association in 2024 and he recently spoke to the Arizona Capitol Times about the role and what sheriffs are asking for from lawmakers this year.
The questions and answers have been edited lightly for style and clarity.
What drew you into law enforcement?
I’m a native Arizonan and on my mother’s side, my grandfather was in law enforcement, specifically in Navajo County and his father was also with the Navajo County Sheriff’s Office. I was always drawn to that and public safety as kind of a part of our lives. I’ve always wanted to get into law enforcement since I was a little kid. I dipped my toes in and applied to several places, but Navajo County was one of the first to call me back. I gave it a shot and I’ve been there for 17 years and I’ve been sheriff for the last seven.
What does being sheriff mean to you?
It’s a lot more unique and different than a chief of police. You’re the conduit or the representative to hold the office that administers public safety so you’re very responsive to what the people want and what the people need. To steal the Abraham Lincoln quote, “by the people, for the people,” that kind of statement by the president always resonates with me when I think of carrying out and enforcing the laws. It’s a calling, and you’ve got to do it right.
How do you balance the law enforcement duties of the office with the more political and lobbying side of it — especially now as president of the association?
That’s a bad question to ask me this week because I’m asking myself how and why. But honestly, you have to say: Number One, is this worth it? And two, is it necessary or needed? It’s only possible if you put forth hard work and effort, but most importantly, it is the agency that you’ve assembled back home. I’ve got a great team, starting with the chief deputy and all the deputy chiefs, the administrative staff and the volunteer coordinators. Everybody is kind of lifting a grand piano. If one person tries to lift, you can’t move it. If everybody lifts at the same time, you can carry it and walk it out. In our case at a Sheriff’s Office, we have to surround ourselves with a lot of good people because the job involves so many different aspects. It sure makes it easier and possible to take care of things at home and take care of political fronts.
What’s something odd or interesting you’ve observed with this job that you don’t think people realize?
I would say our engagement in working at the Legislature. It’s not something that I campaign for or tell people, hey elect me and I’ll be the best advocate at the Legislature and I’ll be the best lobbyist. You come up at the street level, working in the jail and doing all these types of operational things. Well, there are policy decisions that lawmakers make on the other end and they want to hear from us. Sometimes they listen; sometimes they don’t. I think Arizona gets better laws or better outcomes when stakeholders are considered. I never put that together with the job initially and it’s become a big part of the job.
How has the session gone so far?
One of the bills we’ve been watching closely is the license plate reader bill, Senate Bill 1111. There are some groups I think are spreading misinformation or bad information about the use of license plate readers. Every car is equipped with a license plate and readers are a tool within law enforcement. The license plate is used to identify registered vehicles. We ask the public all the time if they have a license plate to help lead law enforcement to suspects. It’s a tool we’ve had for Amber alerts and Silver alerts. It’s the world that we’ve come to with everything being digitized and captured with surveillance on private/public right-of-ways. Law enforcement just has been working with lawmakers to say what’s appropriate and what needs search warrants and I think we’ve come to a good agreement as to how to handle sensitive information. In other types of investigations, we need a reason. We have to put in an officer’s name. We have to put in the case number, and we have to put in the reason for the search. I think that’s no different from what we’re dealing with here.
What’s the situation been like at the southern border recently?
There’s been a huge difference in what we’re seeing at the southern border. The Trump administration has been pointing out that there have been zero releases into the interior of the country. The catch and release that was so critical of the Biden administration has pretty much gone away, which has been very helpful on a lot of government resources as far as dealing with gotaways, which are the people that don’t want to be detected. There’s still the operations where people want to be covert. They’re smuggling people who want to be smuggled in or maybe those who don’t want to be smuggled in. We’ve seen a decrease. There’s obviously a lot of pressure at the border. You’re seeing less interdiction but the demand unfortunately has not gone away. The means and the opportunities are harder to get into the country, which is a good thing. That’s where the border sheriffs and the Arizona Sheriff’s Association have been trying to partner with not only the Legislature and the governor, but with our federal agencies. You see us in the interior counties with our local border support fund. That’s an initiative the sheriffs have been pushing for the last four years. We asked for about $20 million this year. We were appropriated about $17 million last year. It’s improving, but we’re now fighting these covert and underground operations which are a little more sophisticated in working through local businesses for their operations and money laundering.
What else are the sheriffs asking for in the upcoming budget?
We have our re-entry bill, Senate Bill 1317, which is our coordinated re-entry bill. That funds the re-entry programs out of the county jail systems and that’s been widely successful, which originated in Yavapai County. It’s now being offered in five counties with two more coming on board and a third county looking into it as well. We’ve had some conversations last year and this year on what we call a retention and recruitment tool, which is restoring some of the benefits for our employees on the Corrections Officers Retirement Plan.
Tell me more about the correction’s retirement plan benefits.
The plan is for your Department of Corrections employees and your county detention officer employees. I think it was 2018 when there was a big restructuring of that. They created a new tier, but when they did, it pushed down the employer contribution, so sheriffs have been saying this has been one of the hardest programs within our offices to hire for. It’s not a pension plan. It’s more of a 401(k) and the contributions are kind of low. We’ve obviously got some opposition from county supervisors because of the cost and the balancing of budgets, but we’re trying to put the message out there that these are mandatory programs or running a county jail is not an option. We have to run these and we need the best and brightest.
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