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In Their Words: Amanda Aguirre

Amanda Aguirre was born and raised near the border in Sonora, Mexico, at a time she describes as friendlier. She earned a bachelor’s degree in chemistry, and she discovered her love for public health working at a children’s hospital in Los Angeles while earning her Master’s degree. She settled in Arizona in 1987 and was appointed to the Arizona House in 2003 in a Yuma-area district and served there until 2006 when she was elected to the Senate for two terms. She has led the Regional Center for Border Health since 1991. The following interview is part of the Arizona State Library Oral History Project, which started in 2006 and is printed here as an occasional feature called In Their Words. Below are excerpts from Aguirre’s 2014 interview with the project in which she discusses growing up at the border, bipartisanship in the Legislature and her appointment as a Democrat co-chair of the Joint Legislative Committee to the chagrin of the House speaker. The interview has been edited for space and clarity.

Life on the border 

Amanda Aguirre, President and CEO of Regional Center for Border Health, answers a question during a bipartisan discussion about issues at the U.S.-Mexico border in the Yuma region, Tuesday, Jan. 10, 2023, inside the conference room at Regional Center for Border Health in Somerton, Ariz. (Randy Hoeft / The Yuma Sun via AP)
Amanda Aguirre, President and CEO of Regional Center for Border Health, answers a question during a bipartisan discussion about issues at the U.S.-Mexico border in the Yuma region, Tuesday, Jan. 10, 2023, inside the conference room at Regional Center for Border Health in Somerton, Ariz. (Randy Hoeft / The Yuma Sun via AP)

It was nothing like it is today. Back then, it was a very friendly border. People knew each other. You could cross the border, say we’re going to go and buy some groceries and come back, and we didn’t even show papers to cross the border. There were few families. The town was about 10,000, no more than 20,000, and so families knew each other and all of us, even though we had legal papers to cross … but still the officers were, you know, “Oh yes, we know them, they’re family so and so,” and move (us) across. And I remember when my parents built their home in 1963 right across the International Avenue, which borders right with the fence that divided the two countries, and I remember playing baseball and softball, and our ball going across the fence, and then the officers, the border patrol officers, will stop and play with us. So … we give them water, we give them sodas, and, you know, everybody was just very friendly. So it was a very different time.

The influence of growing up on the border on her politics

I think that justice is looking at the issues from the human face, putting a human face to the issues,. I think that has been my priority. I think I’m a business woman, nonetheless, but I think that bringing that human face to the table makes a difference when you’re making decisions. How you do a piece of legislation, a law can impact families, and so whether it impacts them economically, advances the agenda for families, whether it’s education, the accessibility to, you know, health care, to just giving people opportunities to be the best. Certainly, I was given that, and I believe in that.  

Bipartisanship

Well, it can become very extreme to both sides, where some of my colleagues in the Democratic caucus wouldn’t say good morning to some of the members of the Republican caucus in the elevator. It’s very uncomfortable when you’re there, you’re always reading everybody, and that person never looks at the other one and the other one doesn’t look at them, and it’s just not a civilized way for me. I didn’t grow up that type of person. I’m a friendly person. I’d like to see that cordial greeting, at least. That’s how I grew up, with good manners, and so it can be very tense. I try to understand most of the time, 90% of the time, why my colleague Republican stands on a different issue that I stand for, and I tried to understand that. Some of them were open to discuss issues. Some of them just don’t care. They just sit and you work party lines. 

I sort of worked bipartisan on (so) many issues that I was criticized by my own Democratic caucus. I voted because of my constituents. I got farmers, I got military, and nonetheless I felt that I needed to vote what was best, and it happened to be a Republican bill that was addressed in my rural issue. I think the example of that would be the medical malpractice bill that Senator Allen has. I think two of us voted on (it), only two Democrats, and I got criticized for that, including from Governor Napolitano, who campaigned very hard for me, for us, in 2000.

I was passing a bill in the Senate, and I was in the Water and Environment Committee, I believe, and I had to step out and come back and step out because my bill was in another committee, the Judiciary Committee, and was being heard and so I was apologizing for coming and going. And I come back, and they were in the middle of the vote, and I noticed that the Democrat next to me voted no. So I said, “Okay, I might as well just play it safe, and I’m going to vote with the Democrats,” and I voted no. And then I asked the staff, which bill did we vote on? And I realized that I had voted no on a bill that I had given my yes support to my Republican colleague. It was a rural area bill, and so I just felt horrible that I voted no instead of yes. So I got up and asked Senator Flake if he will reconsider the same bill for another vote, that I have committed a mistake. And so he said, “Well, I don’t know if we can do that.” And so the counsel and everybody was at the table and looking at all the rules, and said, “Yeah, the chair can reconsider.” So he did. And so I explained why I have not voted the way I wanted to vote initially, and I said I had promised the senator that I would support this bill, and I do support it, and I just want to give my yes vote, because that was my word that I gave her and and so everybody was like, “Wow.” I got a text message from one of the lobbyists sitting in the room that says, “Gutsiest move we ever seen, Senator. That’s why you’re so great. You always keep your word.” And I said, “We’ve never seen anything like this before?” And I thought, hmm. And I really felt that if I give you my support, you have my support. If I’m going to change that, I will let you know before I take action. And you don’t find that in many people. They just say, “Oh yeah, I will support you.” And then you find out they’ve never been there along the way, supporting you. And of course, my Democrat caucus was not happy that I voted yes because I voted against my Democratic members who were in opposition, but they were not representing rural areas, I was.

President Tim Bee

I had the pleasure to co-chair a joint legislative committee on caregiver standards that President Bee had asked me to serve. And I got a letter that says, “Senator Aguirre, you’re being appointed to co-chair the joint legislative committee.” And I’m like, “Oh my god, I’m a Democrat. I can’t co-chair things, you know, I’m a Democrat. You have to be two Republicans to be chairmen of the committee.” So I went back to President Bee and I said, “I think your secretary made a mistake, maybe because my name starts with an A like, they go first.” And he laughs and says, “No, Senator, we selected you because you’re the best person for this committee, regardless of your party. And I thought, “Wow.” Well, I find out that Speaker (Jim) Weiers had complained to President Bee and said, “How can you name a Democrat to co-chair this Joint Legislative Committee? She’s not a Republican. I’m not going to have my member of the House serve with another Democrat and co-chair this committee. And President Bee stood his ground and says, “No, we in our caucus selected Amanda. She’s an expert on this, and she will be, you know, she’s representing us on this. And so I got to co-chair a joint legislative committee, which I don’t know if anybody in the past has done that as an opposite party.

Appeals Court weighs in on politically charged elections manual

An elections guidebook, historically held to a law of its own and prone to the discretion of each secretary of state, now faces existential questions after an appellate court required it to comply with state rulemaking statutes.

Beyond consultation with county elections officials and a sign-off from the governor and the attorney general, the Elections Procedures Manual (EPM) has no set scheme dictating how it comes together.

But that could change after a ruling from the Arizona Court of Appeals, likely to ascend to the state Supreme Court, which places the EPM under the constraints of the Arizona Administrative Procedures Act (APA), a body of laws dictating how agencies promulgate rules.

In legal filings, Secretary of State Adrian Fontes claimed that bringing the EPM into compliance with the APA, which includes public notice, at least a 30-day public comment period and an opportunity to request oral proceedings, would be “impossible,” given the time constraints already levied on the manual.

The Republican Party of Arizona and the Republican National Committee contend compliance with the APA to be a plain requirement in statute, vital to ensuring public participation in a document threaded with the force of law.

As a 2025 draft comes together in the background, ongoing litigation prompts a point of reflection on the history and true purpose of the manual as a governing document and tees up battles on whether to exempt the EPM from the APA via legislation — or rethink the process and timeline entirely.

The EPM started in 1966 as a directive to the secretary of state to issue guidance on electronic voting systems. In 1972, the Legislature expanded the bill to prompt the creation of a comprehensive official procedures manual on elections, created in concert by the secretary of state and the counties and approved by the governor and attorney general.

An amendment, passed a year later, gave the manual the force of law, fashioning any violation of the EPM a Class 2 misdemeanor. In 1993, the law was updated again to demote the counties to a consultatory role.

What remains unchanged though, was the mandate to create rules “to achieve and maintain the maximum degree of correctness, impartiality, uniformity and efficiency on the procedures” for elections.

The law initially required a manual 30 days prior to each election. Later changes to statute then required it to be sent to the attorney general and governor 90 days before an election.

Then, after an administration’s first refusal then failure to see an EPM approved, state law now requires an EPM to be sent to the governor and attorney general no later than Oct. 1 and issued on Dec. 31 of every odd-numbered year preceding the general election.

Recent history shows, though, a new manual is never a guarantee, especially as election law and the EPM continues to grow in scope, authority, public consciousness and controversy.

The manual has historically been written for election officials and workers as a guidebook, but a renewed focus on the minutiae of elections, and an administration-by-administration buildout of the book increasingly puts it under a more public, litigious and microscopic lens.

In the past 25 years, spanning six secretaries of state and changes in political power, each administration has taken a different tact, with some seeing more success than others.

During Jan Brewer’s time in office as secretary of state, from 2003 to 2009, she issued three EPMs. She said she primarily consulted with and fielded feedback from county recorders and election officials, noting a lack of public input, and interest, at the time.

“Twenty years ago, the only people that really were concerned about the procedures manual were the counties, because that’s like the Bible for running elections. That’s what holds it all together,” Brewer said. “Every two years you would do that, because every two years, something would be changed … lots of effort went into it.”

Brewer, a Republican, saw her manual approved by both a Democrat governor and attorney general.

Former Attorney General Terry Goddard said he could only recall a single strong disagreement with Brewer over the years, though noted it was ultimately resolved amicably, sans litigation.

“It wasn’t very controversial,” Goddard said. “We had political divisions then, as we do now. We had individuals that had strong feelings about what was not appropriate election procedure, and we worked it out.”

Ken Bennett, successor to Brewer, opened up the EPM promulgation process further, inviting in political parties and advocacy groups, a departure from a former, fairly insulated meeting of county election officers.

“I said, I think we ought to really open up the process. Let’s invite all 15 county recorders and all 15 county election directors. And let’s invite the political parties, and let’s invite the advocacy groups,” Bennett said. “Oh my goodness, my staff looked at me like I was nuts. … We’re never going to get through these meetings if all those people are involved.”

Invitations went out, and people showed up, Bennett said.

“You could tell that there was kind of this pent up frustration from people that had not been included in previous versions. Oh man, they had lots to say,” Bennett said. “They thought they were going to have five minutes … we got people to realize that they were invited back to the second meeting, and that we were going to listen, and we were going to take things that we heard from everybody and anybody, if it was positive and made sense and everybody agreed.”

Bennett said he continued under the same system during his time in office, including a 30-day public comment period, culminating in a total of four manuals. His final manual, proffered in 2014, would outlast Bennett’s time in office, though, and govern elections until Katie Hobbs put together a manual in 2019.

Secretary of State Michele Reagan skipped the EPM entirely in 2016, claiming she read the statute to only require a new EPM if there were necessary changes, and faced backlash from county elections officials and a legal complaint because of it. The attorney general declined to investigate and found her interpretation of state statute “plausible.”

In 2018, Reagan did submit a manual, but then-Gov. Doug Ducey and Attorney General Mark Brnovich rejected it, given complaints from county recorders.

The four-year stint without an updated EPM led to legislation, sponsored by then-Rep. Kelly Townsend, requiring a draft manual by Oct. 1 and a final submission by Dec. 31.

Hobbs’ tenure brought forth two EPMs, though one was weighed down and ultimately nullified by legal challenge. Her 2019 manual was preceded by 30 days of public comment and two public meetings and was approved by both Ducey and Attorney General Mark Brnovich.

Brnovich refused to sign off and challenged her 2021 manual, leaving the 2019 manual in place for the 2022 election.

Jennifer Wright, Brnovich’s former Election Integrity Unit lead, said in her combing through the EPM, the condensed schedule often put a damper on addressing every single issue within the manual, and the final say of the secretary of state, attorney general and governor means last-minute edits can get through with little public oversight.

Wright gave credit to Hobbs for holding public town halls. But she noted the general flaws inherent in the EPM process, including the “series of dark backroom negotiations,” isolating county election officials or the secretary of state, governor and secretary of state.

“There’s too much power and too much at stake for it to be a blackbox process,” Wright said.

In 2023, Fontes successfully saw an EPM off, with a 15-day public comment period prior. A string of litigation in both state and federal court followed the approval of the 2023 EPM, including the lawsuit from the state Republican Party and the RNC chiefly over compliance with APA.

Though the 2023 EPM lasted through the 2024 election, sans some select provisions blocked by the courts, a decision by the Court of Appeals on March 7 placed the EPM under the APA and found Fontes failed to substantially comply by failing to offer 30 days of public comment, calling into question the validity of the 2023 manual.

The office plans to appeal and claims the 2023 manual is still in effect, given a mandate has yet to be issued by the appellate court.

But if the Arizona Supreme Court upholds the Court of Appeals decision, the requirement of the APA could put the EPM on a much longer runway and generally complicate an already condensed timeline, leading to the potential need for legislation to exempt the EPM or a greater reflection on how the EPM should come together and operate generally.

All the while, JP Martin, a spokesperson for Fontes said the office is in the midst of meeting with county election officials to create a 2025 draft by reviewing it chapter-by-chapter. Martin said the office has been running monthly chapter assignments since February, with plans to wrap up in July.

As Fontes works through litigation and a new EPM, Bennett emphasized a focus on expanding the scope of input and metering the reach of the manual.

“My advice is transparency, including all the players as early as possible, and respecting the fact the EPM is supposed to fill in the details to effectuate the state statutes, not create new laws itself,” Bennett said. “Stay in your lane, do what you’re supposed to do and try not to go beyond that.”

45 years after the Groundwater Management Act, one of its architects reflects on the landmark legislation

In 1980, Arizona’s Groundwater Management Act identified 2025 as the year that the state’s three largest urban areas would balance the amount of groundwater withdrawn and replenished from the state. In 2025, lawmakers are still struggling to compromise on groundwater management, and those three urban areas are still nowhere near their goal.

The Groundwater Management Act was created to address severe groundwater overdrafts and provide a framework for its responsible allocation throughout the state. It created four active management areas and established the Arizona Department of Water Resources.

Kathleen Ferris, a water policy expert who served as the executive director of the Arizona Groundwater Study Commission, helped craft the Groundwater Management Act in 1980. In a recent interview, she reflected on the landmark legislation, the goals it set and whether or not lawmakers today could pass similar legislation.

“In hindsight, of course, you always think, ‘Well, I wish we would have done this or that,” Ferris said. “I wish we would have had more tools to reduce groundwater overdraft.”

Kathleen Ferris

The Groundwater Management Act paved the way for groundwater policy in Arizona and throughout the country. Ferris called the legislation “remarkable.” But with the benefit of 45 years of experience, Ferris now acknowledges that there are parts of the legislation she wishes she could change. 

One such change, Ferris said, would be giving the Arizona Department of Water Resources enough tools to reduce groundwater pumping by the new semiconductor and artificial intelligence industries.

“We only gave the Department of Water Resources really a few tools, primarily mandatory conservation requirements, but those haven’t reduced the cutbacks that are needed to achieve safe yield,” Ferris said. 

 

 

Closing the safe-yield gap

One of the primary goals for the Phoenix, Prescott and Tucson Active Management Areas, created by the Groundwater Management Act, was to achieve “safe-yield” by 2025. Safe-yield is the long-term balance between the amount of groundwater withdrawn in the AMA and the amount of recharge. 

None of those three AMAs have achieved safe-yield in 2025. Ferris said that goal felt attainable when the legislation was being crafted, but leaders could not have anticipated the changes in  Arizona’s water needs over the last half-century.

“I think it felt achievable at the time,” Ferris said. “It was a long-range goal, 45 years, five management plans, but I don’t think that we anticipated the extraordinary growth that has taken place in central Arizona, and I don’t think we anticipated climate change.”

Another unanticipated change came from the Colorado River, which provides a separate source of water to much of Arizona. As the seven states that share Colorado River water renegotiate the terms of their agreement, the river is in danger of running dry, and there’s a chance that Arizona will face cuts from its share. 

Ferris said those involved in drafting the Groundwater Management Act believed they could rely on Colorado River water, but cuts could force the state to use groundwater when there isn’t enough to go around. Currently, anyone leasing or selling land in an AMA must demonstrate that there is enough water to sustain the development for 100 years. Ferris said that isn’t enough anymore. 

“[We can’t] think that we can just pump groundwater and say, ‘Well, we’ve got it for 100 years, and that’s good enough,’” Ferris said. “Look at how fast 45 years has gone. I mean, for me, it’s really quite remarkable. One hundred years is a blink of an eye.” 

 

Looking 100 years ahead

Today’s lawmakers will spend yet another legislative session attempting to address groundwater issues, but the conflicts that have plagued their progress only persist. 

Lawmakers, the Governor’s Office and stakeholders have not come to a consensus on the best way to address depleting groundwater in rural areas of the state. Several proposals have been put forward over the years, but none with as much significance as the original Groundwater Management Act have made it into law. 

This session, Gov. Katie Hobbs worked with legislative Democrats and city and county leaders from both parties to introduce the Rural Groundwater Management Act, which mimics the original legislation. It would create Rural Groundwater Management Areas, similar to AMAs, emphasizing local control.

Rural Groundwater Management Areas would be more flexible than AMAs, given that much of the groundwater used in rural areas is needed for farming. However, despite the bipartisan support from city and county leaders, Republicans in the Legislature are not so supportive of the idea.

Ferris said she has not been involved in the Rural Groundwater Management Act, but offered some advice for lawmakers who are trying to create solutions through policy.

“My primary advice is to stop allowing new uses on groundwater,” Ferris said. “It’s unsustainable, and we have to figure out ways to make what we’ve got more sustainable and find out how we can stretch those supplies.” 

Ferris said she thinks it’s unlikely that legislation like the original Groundwater Management Act could make it through the Legislature today.

“We had a really sort of special few years leading up to the Groundwater Management Act, with a Legislature that wasn’t terribly partisan, and elected leaders who worked together, even if they were on different sides of the aisle,” Ferris said. 

She highlighted the participation of leaders like Alfredo Gutierrez, Burton Barr, Stan Turley and former Gov. Bruce Babbitt. In the years leading up to and after the Groundwater Management Act, Gutierrez, a Democrat, served as a leader of the Arizona Senate, Barr as Republican majority leader and Turley as president of the Senate.

Ferris said they all made a concerted effort to pass the legislation, and though lawmakers today are also making efforts, she hasn’t seen anything like the kind of effort that happened in 1980. 

“It was a different era,” Ferris said. “I just haven’t seen that kind of momentum and that kind of spirit of, ‘we need to get something done and we’re all trying to do something. Not the same thing, but we’re pushing toward the same goal.’”

Andrew Gould – a history student looking out for the little guy

As an attorney turned trial court judge, appellate judge, Arizona Supreme Court justice and attorney once more, Andrew Gould has seen all stripes of the law. In a recent interview with the Arizona Capitol Times, Gould shares how his perspective on law evolved from both sides of the bench. 

The questions and answers have been edited lightly for style and clarity. 

What led you to the law? 

I’ve always been a student of history. And when you look at this country in particular, the law is so important. From the Constitution all the way down to our statutes and our court decisions. … I know it sounds trite, but it really is a nation of laws … so I always wanted to be involved in, not politics, but I always wanted to be involved in public service, and making the country better. … A lot of what I do is constitutional law. And with constitutional law, you have to love history, too. … Studying the Constitution and being a constitutional lawyer goes hand in glove with my love of history. 

There is another side to this. My family had some tough times growing up. There were ups and there were downs, but there were some very, very bad times. I always wished that there was somebody when I was growing up who would fight for people like my mom and dad, people who didn’t have any money, they didn’t have any influence. There wasn’t anybody to fight for them. I thought someday I’d like to be able to fight for people like my mom and dad. So that’s the human side of it.

Where did your love of history start? Where do you trace that back to?

I’ve always loved to read. … When you dig into history, you look at these people who faced real problems that were uncertain. It took extraordinary effort and courage and leadership to take people through those tough times. … I think the takeaway is there are really no new problems. It’s part of the human condition, and we’ve had to overcome them before and address them. Sometimes we’ve failed. So I think it helps you to try to face problems that we look at now to see how they were addressed before. I just love it. All I do is read history books. … It’s fascinating to read about real people, real things, the problems they face and relate to my own situation and times that I live in now. 

Can you think of any books you’ve read recently that have been particularly resonant or applicable? 

I read a book on Oliver Cromwell recently. … Here’s a man who was just sort of a country farmer, they brought him in during the English Revolution. He became a leader, then a general, and one of the greatest ever. And he was in his forties when he did it. And so when you think about that, forty would be like being in your fifties or sixties now. The reason why I thought it was interesting was it was amazing the capabilities that people have that they don’t know, how they can blossom into something extraordinary. A man with no military history, well into middle age at that time becomes the greatest general of his time. … Of course, it was encouraging to me as I’m in middle age. Gosh, you know, there’s a lot of things you can do.

What cases stick out in your mind as either defining moments in your career, or interesting or memorable cases.

I can kind of work backward. On the Supreme Court, one of the toughest cases I ever did was the Brush and Nib case. That was dealing with free speech and compelled speech, and so that was a big case, and it was a lot of analysis that went into that. 

As a trial judge. Wow, there’s so many cases. I remember one case. It was actually a medical malpractice case with a little boy who got viral meningitis, but it wasn’t properly diagnosed up front. And by the time they were able to diagnose it, it had basically destroyed most of his brain. And so he went from this vibrant little boy who loved to play soccer to unable to speak and had to wear a diaper and 30, 40, 50-60 seizures every day for the rest of his life. He had these wonderful grandparents that cared for him, and they brought him into court one day. And the little guy came in with those little crutches, and he had a helmet on because he would hit his head. And I’ve never seen a jury — I’ve done murder cases, child molestation cases. I’ve seen them all, most gruesome murders, the most horrific molestation, rapes. I’ve seen all those cases — but I’ve never seen an entire jury weep. The entire jury was weeping. It was so tragic. I remember that case very well.

How did you decide to make the move to the bench, and could you briefly walk me through your ascent? 

I don’t know about that. I think things just happen in life, and then you’re either ready for it or not. I didn’t come from a family of any influence whatsoever. I had no connections. No one had been a lawyer in my family. I didn’t have any of that. I graduated from law school, and I had some friends who had clerked here in Phoenix, and they said Phoenix is a great place for a young person to go, a lot of opportunity. It’s just a new city. It’s growing. And so I came down here and I got a job, and I worked at Snell and Wilmer. It was my first job, and then I later worked at Gallagher and Kennedy. But I really always wanted to be a prosecutor. I wanted to do trial work, and I just wanted to fight for justice. I liked those jobs, but I just wanted something more. So I interviewed around, but the job that came open was in Yuma, and at the time, I thought, no way. But my wife is from a small town. She said, “Let’s try it.” And we loved it, and it was great. And then an opening occurred on the bench. I had no intention of ever being a judge. That wasn’t the thing I went to law school for, but the judge who was retiring, I respected him a lot, and at one point, while the position was open, he came off the bench, and I ran into him, and he said, “Are you applying?” And I said, “No, Judge, I’m not.” And he didn’t ask me to apply. That’s not what he said. He said, “Well, we need good people to apply because they owe it to their community to help.” I thought, were you talking to me? You know, to this day, I don’t know if he was talking to me. I think he was. I went home and told my wife, and she said, “You should apply.” And so I applied, and I got it. 

I was on that trial bench for 11 years, and I became the presiding judge. And then I thought, the more I do this, I’d like to be writing these decisions. So then I started applying to the Court of Appeals. And then when I was on the Court of Appeals, I thought, This is great, but the final word here in this state is that Supreme Court, and I’d like to have a say …. And so I applied, and eventually got there. 

How has your life experience and work experience shaped how you look at cases now? 

As a young man, the experiences my family had – because there were times when we were very poor – I felt like the system was against us. I believed in the system. My parents were very patriotic and hardworking people, but there’s times where it just felt like, for the average person, it just was against us, it grinds you. My dad, we were being evicted from an apartment we were living in, and I remember him going to court and just being destroyed on the stand, just destroyed. He’s a good guy. You remember those things. So, in terms of how it impacts me, everybody’s equal before the law. It has to be. We can’t have winners and losers. 

Bearing Cromwell in mind, what are your goals for the future?

I’m always going to stay politically involved. I want to be involved in the future. I’ve got children and a grandson now, and I want to make sure that this country and this state is as great for them as it has been for me. So I’m very, very, you know, I’m at a point in life I could retire and I could, I would be just fine, but I’m worrying about the next generation and the generation after that. 

What’s something the average person might not know about you? 

I think people see me as very serious. And I just, I think if you ask the people who know me well, I do have a good sense of humor, but I know a lot of times people don’t see that. … I grew up in a family where,  like I said, we didn’t have a lot, but we sure did have a lot of good laughs. I love to laugh. 

What is a motto or ethos that guides you in your life and in your work? 

If there were one that I would tell you –  99% of life is failure. It’s how you respond to it. So you’re going to fail at things. It’s just part of life. It’s how you respond to it.

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