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Ducey to meet with ‘decision makers,’ not teachers to talk about salaries

Arizona teachers walk into the senate building as they protest for higher pay at the capitol Wednesday, March 21, 2018, in Phoenix. The protest comes as educators try to persuade the Legislature and Republican Gov. Doug Ducey to boost their pay significantly. (AP Photo/Ross D. Franklin)

Arizona teachers walk into the senate building as they protest for higher pay at the capitol Wednesday, March 21, 2018, in Phoenix. The protest comes as educators try to persuade the Legislature and Republican Gov. Doug Ducey to boost their pay significantly. (AP Photo/Ross D. Franklin)

Gov. Doug Ducey won’t meet with the leaders of two teacher groups to talk about salaries and related issues even as they are taking the first steps toward a walkout.

The governor’s statement comes less than a week after a request by Noah Karvelis of Arizona Educators United and Joe Thomas of the Arizona Education Association “to begin a negotiation process to resolve the #RedForEd demands.” That includes not just the 20 percent salary increase to compete with neighboring states but also restoring education levels to where they were a decade ago.

It also comes as Arizona Educators United is working with its member teachers to set a date for walkout to get the attention of Ducey and legislators and show they are serious.

Ducey, in essence, has written off both groups as irrelevant to his own education funding plans.

Noah Karvelis

Noah Karvelis

“We’re meeting with the decision makers,” the governor said, meaning school superintendents and other officials. “And we’re going to continue to meet with the decision makers.”

Karvelis told Capitol Media Services the decision is disappointing — but not entirely a surprise.

“We feared that,” he said.

“We hoped that wasn’t true,” Karvelis continued. “We thought maybe he would come to the table on this. But he’s continuing to ignore us.”

Meanwhile, Ducey is sticking with his plan to give teachers a 1 percent pay hike this coming year on top of a 1 percent increase for the current school year.

Ducey’s position could have implications — and soon.

Karvelis said Tuesday his newly formed group is “about to hit the numbers we are looking for” in terms of job actions. That includes both walk-ins where teachers remain outside until the start of the day and all enter at once to show solidarity, and actual walk-outs where they simply do not show up.

“We will be taking escalated action and plan to set a date shortly if we do not see any response from him,” Karvelis said.

Ducey said late Tuesday he doesn’t want a strike.

“We would love to avoid a walkout,” he said. “We want our teachers inside the classroom teaching, we want our kids learning, and we want more dollars in their paycheck.”’

But the governor also does not have a plan of what he intends to do if thousands of teachers call in sick. Instead, it comes down to trying to get his spending plan approved by the Legislature.

“The idea right now is we want to move the budget forward so we can get these dollars to them,” Ducey said.

Gov. Doug Ducey, flanked by education officials and legislative leaders, announces his plan to put $100 million into additional assistance for districts in the 2019 budget. (Photo by Rachel Leingang, Arizona Capitol Times)

Gov. Doug Ducey, flanked by education officials and legislative leaders, announces his plan to put $100 million into additional assistance for districts in the 2019 budget. (Photo by Rachel Leingang, Arizona Capitol Times)

He also suggested that teachers are unhappy because they don’t understand what he’s already done for them — and what he’s prepared to do in the future. And he said that it’s wrong to say his plan is simply that 1 percent pay hike.

For example, he said the state has added 9 percent in funds that are available for teacher pay since 2015.

More than half of that, however, is for new teachers necessary just to stay even with student growth.

There’s also the $1.7 billion cumulatively that Ducey said has been added to K-12 funding since he took office in 2015.

But here, too, that reflects money the state is required to add simply to keep pace with inflation and student growth. It also includes more than $300 million a year the state is providing to make up for money illegally taken from schools in the first place in violation of state law requiring annual inflation adjustments.

He also disputes that teacher pay in Arizona is as bad as some have suggested, contending that the rankings are misleading. Ducey has said Arizona is no worse than No. 43.

But Dan Hunting, senior policy analyst of the Morrison Institute for Public Policy, said for 2017 elementary school teachers ranked 49th in the nation, up one notch from 2016, when the cost of living is factored in. There also was a one-spot increase for high school teachers, to 48th.

And Ducey said a lot of the furor among teachers is being stirred up by some who are more interested in making waves than actually dealing with the issue.

Exhibit No. 1 for Ducey is the AEA’s Thomas who used a #RedForEd event to endorse Democrat David Garcia for governor. And Karvelis is running the campaign of Kathy Hoffman who is a Democrat contender for state school superintendent.

“Why would I want to sit down with someone who wants to play politics?” he asked.

While many teachers find the governor’s plan wanting, Ducey said the package has the backing of more than two dozen school superintendents. These are the individuals who turned out for a January press conference when Ducey agreed to restore $100 million the state had shorted schools in what it was supposed to provide them for things like textbooks, computers and school buses.

That actually is less than Ducey himself cut from the same account his first year in office. But the governor said he is committed to restoring the full funding of $371 million during the next five years.

It is that work with the superintendents that the governor said has been his focus, rather than with the teacher groups.

And Ducey said he believes that any new money for those expenses should free up dollars that schools can then use for salary increases.

Karvelis derided that suggestion.

“We don’t have paper towels. We don’t have new textbooks. We don’t have tires for the bus,” he said. “So to think that there’s some sort of extra money here or that him giving more money to capital is going to open up all these different opportunities to increase our teacher wages is ridiculous.”

Tim Ogle, executive director of the Arizona School Boards Association, said any money helps — up to a point.

“Gestures like that are a step in the right direction,” he said. “But that doesn’t solve the problem.”

The bottom line, Ogle said, is Arizona has a “crisis” in attracting and retaining teachers.

As to that walkout, while Ducey has no specific contingency plan, school officials are taking the threat seriously.

Ogle said his organization scheduled a “webinar” for school officials on how to handle both walk-ins and walkouts. That includes dealing with the remaining staff on site as well as the needs of parents.

The list of what #RedForEd wants also includes a demand that the state not approve additional tax cuts until teacher pay in Arizona reaches the national average. Ducey has rebuffed that one, too, and is pushing his own proposal to cut state income taxes owed on military pensions, a change that eventually will reduce revenues by $15 million a year.

Ducey said, though, his plan should be adopted.

“I’m on the teachers’ side,” Ducey said, saying he wants to see they get more money in their paychecks. “This is the best and quickest way to get it there.”

The problem of teacher pay is not specifically of Ducey’s making.

He came into office on the tail end of the Great Recession where lawmakers, looking for ways to balance the budget even as they approved tax cuts, made major slices in state funding, with K-12 education taking a huge hit.

In the 2007-2008 school year, the state provided $4,959 in per student funding. That dropped as low as $3,814 by the 2011-2012 school year, according to legislative budget analysts.

When Ducey took office, the figure was $4,154. It now is $4,720.

That goes to the teachers’ demand to restore state funding to pre-recession levels.

It will take more than getting Arizona back to that $4,959 figure: With inflation, that figure is now worth less than $4,200.

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